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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:41 pm
by Jojo
Hello!


In my announcement in/on/at Lugnet I also related the post to lugnet.off-topic.debate
:)

The model is a stand-alone, actually a camera-alone as the outer walls are not exactly presentable but only the inside was built for the camera eye.

The wall behind the throne is connected like this:

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I had to set the connection one stud behind because of the columns right next to this decorated wall section.


And I'm glad that you noticed the "wrong" helmets on the Black Falcons. In my own story lines I would never equip Black Falcons with even grey classic helmets, even less so with KK1 helmets. But in this case I simply needed figs that sported the Imperial Eagle (The Holy Roman/German one, not the American one ;) ) so I used Black Falcons.


Bye
Jojo

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 3:48 pm
by David Girard
It's really impressive work Jojo ! Awesome.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:41 pm
by jwcbigdog
Every time I see your work Jojo, I feel this overwhelming sense of envy come over me. After blacking out for a short period (I hope that I didn't hurt anyone during this time), I am always amazed by what I see. I really like the entire throne area, especially the carpet. I also like the benches, they look very authentic. Historical correctness is a big thing for me, so thank you for putting all the time into making this creation truly capture the moment.

Fantastic work!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:50 pm
by LEGOFREAK
I know I told you this in chat the other day, but I felt it needed saying again.
Jojo this is one beautiful moc.
It simply is fantastic. the details are wonderful, I love the doors the most, and may end up stealing them for a fortress. The chandelier is wonderful, and I love the history lesson besides.
Fantastic, wonderful, awe-inspiring.

(can I have your red ghost?) :lol:

(j/k about the ghost)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:52 pm
by lil Jon
Im pagan.

That's a nice MOC. Very detailed, like people have said.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:09 pm
by Mr. D
Awesome, Jojo! I really like the wall behind the throne and the red carpet, but there are a ton more details that make this MOC beautiful.

To add to the other discussion happening simultaneously in this thread, our family does not celebrate Halloween either, and I really appreciate both Jojo's and T.T.K.'s explanation. Thanks guys; you said it better than I could have!

Keep up the awesome, great, wonderful work, Jojo!

D-man

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:59 pm
by Formendacil
Happy All Saint's Day!

Having got that little bit of Catholicism out of my blood....

Great MOC Jojo!

The detail is awesome! It looks like you took a picture of the real event, and then re-did it in LEGO. Stunningly amazing!

And just to confuse people: I like Charles V. And several other Holy Roman/Austrian/Spanish Hapsburgs.

And for all that Luther split up Mother Church, he sure did a good job of helping us get back onto the religious track. No Reformation, no Counter-Reformation.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:15 pm
by Bruce N H
Hey Jojo,

Another awesome addition to your Luther series. What's next for him? There's a lot of life to this scene, which is great. I like the guy wearing a mortarboard in the back right :), the way you've done the windows and doors, the studless floor with red carpet, and the area behind the throne, especially. Is the canopy above the throne based on the true scene (i.e. do you have a reference, like a painting of the scene?)? A couple of element questions--what are the other two printed tiles on the table (aside from the old scroll 2x2 and the envelope 1x2), and what is the piece on top of the crown?
The other two scenes are also great, but I think I've commented on them in previous years.
On another note, did you have any further plans for Simplicissimus?

Bruce

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:34 am
by TheBohrok
Bruce, I believe the piece on the crown is this.

Jojo, you did a super job on this custom. Everything about it looks good! I really like how you did the chandeliers most.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:14 am
by CAI
The detail is absolutly superb, excellent work Jojo.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:19 pm
by Jojo
Hello!


Happy Election day! ;)

As for the historical correctness: I truely don't know what the hall where the trial took place exactly looked like. There are, however, some contemporary paintings (by Lucas Cranach e.g.) that show the scene but they differ and they tend to glorify Luther as the paintings weren't done for pure enjoyment of painting but for political purposes.

The core of my scene is correct, though: The desk with the books in the middle, the emperor sitting on a throne under a canopy, the princes (electors), the audience. The red carpet I borrowed from a painting by Titian that shows Charles V. some years after the Diet of Worms.

The tiles on the desk are stickered, they are from some Homemaker sets (70s), I don't know which ones because I only got the tiles singly. The thing on top of the crown is a small Belvile crown as TheBorok already pointed out.

Formendacil, may I - offtopically - ask why you like Charles V.? Because he waged war all the time, or because he plundered Rome although he considered himself the preserver of Christendom?

As for Luther splitting up the Church: Right, but if he had been a bishop or even cardinal rather than a little monk we would possibly be still all catholics now :-) At least the pope (Leo X.) didn't have the power to prevent the schism. Like others before him didn't have the pover to prevent the schism between the Roman Church and the Greek Church.


Bye
Jojo

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:35 pm
by Mr. D
By the way, Jojo; something I just thought of. Shouldn't the quote be "Here I stand! God help me, I can do no other!"? Or maybe it's translated differently different places. Just a thought.

D-man

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:45 pm
by Jojo
Hello!


Mr. D wrote:By the way, Jojo; something I just thought of. Shouldn't the quote be "Here I stand! God help me, I can do no other!"? Or maybe it's translated differently different places. Just a thought.

If at all he said "Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders." because he certainly didn't say this in English :-)
Then again this phrase was probably added later to the myth for making it more "protestantic". In any case he said "God help me! Amen." (In German "Gott helfe mir! Amen.") I didn't know exactly how the aforesaid phrase usually is translated. The source I had gave it the way I quoted it, maybe it's wrong.


Bye
Jojo

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BTW. I wonder why this thread wasn't neither moved to "(Hi)story" nor locked for blatant off topic contents....

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:27 pm
by Formendacil
Jojo wrote:Formendacil, may I - offtopically - ask why you like Charles V.? Because he waged war all the time, or because he plundered Rome although he considered himself the preserver of Christendom?


Offtopic Answer: Not entirely sure. Kinda like the names. :wink:

But more seriously, you have to remember that I view Charles V and all the Hapsburg through Catholic eyes. Charles V was a much stronger and more devoted defender of Catholicism than the popes of his times. His plundering of Rome.....

Well, he still had Leo X and his contemporary popes beat...

Besides, I like Emperors. :P

Jojo wrote:As for Luther splitting up the Church: Right, but if he had been a bishop or even cardinal rather than a little monk we would possibly be still all catholics now :-) At least the pope (Leo X.) didn't have the power to prevent the schism. Like others before him didn't have the pover to prevent the schism between the Roman Church and the Greek Church.


Actually, I have to admit that Luther was never Lutheran. He was a Catholic attempting to reform his church all his life. It was the irreconcilable actions on his part, and his controversial (if you're Catholic, read "wrong" :wink: ) beliefs regarding the Bible and transubstantiation that led to his being completely cut off (with his followers) from the Mother Church.

And I stand by what I said about the Counter-Reformation. That was the best thing that happened to the Church since Constantine the Great.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:50 pm
by Mr. D
Actually, from what I understand, Luther was a Lutheran. The fact is, that most of modern Lutheran church is wildly astray from it's founding belief.

D-man