A knight's plume.
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A knight's plume.
Hi
Dont know if this topic is in the correct forum. I always wonder what is the purpose of the plume on top of the knight's helmet? Is it just for style, rank or just to intimidate opponents?
Sorry if this is a silly question. I am just curious.
Thanks.
Erwin
Dont know if this topic is in the correct forum. I always wonder what is the purpose of the plume on top of the knight's helmet? Is it just for style, rank or just to intimidate opponents?
Sorry if this is a silly question. I am just curious.
Thanks.
Erwin
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What we have from Lego would be considered nothing
but decoration for the most part. With the exception
of the Dragon's "dragon plume" maybe. But that's more
of a faction's device, or a possible form of a "Livery".
"Livery" being a distinctive uniform, basically.
Now if we had actual helmet crests, that would be different.
Crests were extensions of the wearers arms, worn in
tournaments, were knights would "dress their best" for the
games. Some tournaments had set rules were the crest
was to be nocked off in order to score points, or win.
There are accounts of knights wearing helmet crests into
battle, such as the French at Agincourt(1415). They wore
crests because they thought it made them look taller,
and more imposing. It didn't work, btw.
Also, crests were worn for ceremonial purposes of course.
I'm giving you the basics, but I'm sure Two-Tonic can
add to this if he chooses.
but decoration for the most part. With the exception
of the Dragon's "dragon plume" maybe. But that's more
of a faction's device, or a possible form of a "Livery".
"Livery" being a distinctive uniform, basically.
Now if we had actual helmet crests, that would be different.
Crests were extensions of the wearers arms, worn in
tournaments, were knights would "dress their best" for the
games. Some tournaments had set rules were the crest
was to be nocked off in order to score points, or win.
There are accounts of knights wearing helmet crests into
battle, such as the French at Agincourt(1415). They wore
crests because they thought it made them look taller,
and more imposing. It didn't work, btw.
Also, crests were worn for ceremonial purposes of course.
I'm giving you the basics, but I'm sure Two-Tonic can
add to this if he chooses.
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The presence of the plume is decorative.
It comes from tournament tradition. I explain...
Before the tournament begin, all the helmet of the knights which were going to take part in this tournamnent, were exposed in a same room, and the public can see them before the tournament begin. So knights put distinctive elements on their helmets to be recognized during the tournament. Helmet were very much different and original some times. Plume was one of the possible distinction.
On battle, knights don't usually put plume on their helmet. It's only a distinctive thing for tournament.
An expample:
http://www.cheynewalk.com/knight39.jpg
Another:
http://www.cheynewalk.com/knight46.jpg
Another:
http://www.englishstyleclub.com/offers/ ... arkley.htm
This is one of the more original I seen:
http://www.altavista.com/r?ck_sm=356686 ... Fpb404.htm
Hope It answer your question.
It comes from tournament tradition. I explain...
Before the tournament begin, all the helmet of the knights which were going to take part in this tournamnent, were exposed in a same room, and the public can see them before the tournament begin. So knights put distinctive elements on their helmets to be recognized during the tournament. Helmet were very much different and original some times. Plume was one of the possible distinction.
On battle, knights don't usually put plume on their helmet. It's only a distinctive thing for tournament.
An expample:
http://www.cheynewalk.com/knight39.jpg
Another:
http://www.cheynewalk.com/knight46.jpg
Another:
http://www.englishstyleclub.com/offers/ ... arkley.htm
This is one of the more original I seen:
http://www.altavista.com/r?ck_sm=356686 ... Fpb404.htm
Hope It answer your question.
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The room David references, was used to inspect and identify
knights who had possibly dishonored their names.
For example, if a knight was unchivalrous towards a Lady,
that Lady could have his helmet removed from the lists.
Their crests were there of course, but had little to do with
identifying the individual. That was accomplished by the
arms displayed under the helmet.
Crests were extensions of the knights arms, but they
rarely portrayed the entire arms. For instance, Edward
the Black Prince - his tourney crest was a little crowned
lion. His arms, however, depicted the Lions of Britian as
well as the fleur-de-lys of France, quartered. So unless
you knew his arms, you might not have known his crest.
knights who had possibly dishonored their names.
For example, if a knight was unchivalrous towards a Lady,
that Lady could have his helmet removed from the lists.
Their crests were there of course, but had little to do with
identifying the individual. That was accomplished by the
arms displayed under the helmet.
Crests were extensions of the knights arms, but they
rarely portrayed the entire arms. For instance, Edward
the Black Prince - his tourney crest was a little crowned
lion. His arms, however, depicted the Lions of Britian as
well as the fleur-de-lys of France, quartered. So unless
you knew his arms, you might not have known his crest.
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Hey Blasterman!
where did you get the awsome sugarloaf helm that the minifig in you're avatar is wearing?
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Re: A knight's plume.
Simple really, a feather in your helmet really scares the crap out of the enemy while your charging at them!LEGO_KNIGHT wrote:I always wonder what is the purpose of the plume on top of the knight's helmet?
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Helmet (with or without plume) :)
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DM wrote
Where do you get this theory ? Plume is only decorative. Look at any historic medieval film, and you'll see no one wear helmet with plume during fighting. Plume was use only for the tournaments.Simple really, a feather in your helmet really scares the crap out of the enemy while your charging at them!
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