Ancient Greece!

Count Blacktron · Post by **Count Blacktron** » Thu May 17, 2007 11:28 pm

Next best thing to Romans! Actually, if they come from mythology, they'd be BETTER!! Hydra, minotaur, cyclops, harpies, the Kraken, Medusa, Cerberus, Charon, Zeus, Hera, Pegasus, Perseus, Hercules... the list just goes on and on!! Bring on the Greeks!!

JPinoy · Post by **JPinoy** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:37 pm

Of course! But I think that if LEGO means to go into Greece, they might as well go into other Ancient civilizations like Egypt, and etc.

Adventurers didn't represent Egypt that well IMO. It was more "The Mummy" and Indiana Jones than anything else.

Dunechaser · Post by **Dunechaser** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:43 am

Just so we're clear, I'm responding to this thread as a fellow fan, not as a LEGO Ambassador. Just ignore that logo in my sig for a moment.

I've always wanted LEGO to make more (semi-)historical and "world culture" themes. Castle was my favorite theme growing up, I partially missed but really like Pirates, and I loved the Ninjas theme. Adventurers has included a bit of Egypt, India, Tibet, and China, but not much.

Ancient Greece and Rome offer so many possibilities, as Steve showed, both for play and education. I also know that this is something many of us have wanted for a long time.

With all of that in mind, it seems like such an obvious choice that I'm surprised they haven't done a Classical line before. Unfortunately, the fact that LEGO hasn't done this yet, despite everything positive that's been said in this thread, may indicate that they've considered it and rejected it long ago...

If we really want Classical LEGO, let's keep asking for it, and start building more Roman and Greek LEGO with what we have!

HeartOfDarkness · Post by **HeartOfDarkness** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:07 am

Sorry, but 'Hero vs. Monster' doesn't really strike me as something I'd like more of. I guess that a few might catch my fancy, but only in the way that I bought a few KK2 sets out of curiosity. In fact, I can recall a recent thread bemoaning the lack of real soldiers in the KK2 line (except for the totally awesome Shadow Knights). This is actually my biggest gripe with the Viking line; too many brick-built monsters, not enough armies.

Armies. Yummy.

RichardAM · Post by **RichardAM** » Tue May 22, 2007 2:47 pm

Count Blacktron wrote:Next best thing to Romans!

Pfft, read your history books, The Greeks were superior to the Romans in every way, at least culturally. The Romans are only more renowned and recognised in history because of their total dominance over Europe rather than their ideals, thoughts and creativity.

I'm all for the Greece theme. I think the good vs mythological is a great idea, and certainly something Lego has come to introduce more and more as of late, especially in regards to the Vikings line, Castle 2007 and even Dino Attack. So that's where my main concern lies- wouldn't these just be horrible constructed one-piece creations? Or brickbuilt so that their pieces could generally be used again and creatively? The Viking monsters were a lot of fun, but generally all dragons and beasties have just been one-piece garbage.

The other main concern though (and definitely something Lego would consider before going ahead with this, if at all) is the appeal. Obviously the cultural history element would be educational to all, but certainly it's a theme that would shine more in Europe than in the US? Would US kids wan't a history lesson or a si-fi theme with lasers and aliens?

The videogame God of War (and it's sequel) as well as 300 have recently reinvigorated interest in the brutal history of European countries. I say if Lego go ahead with this idea, certainly now is the time to release it.

Emp.Justinian · Post by **Emp.Justinian** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:41 am

RichardAM wrote:
Count Blacktron wrote:Next best thing to Romans!
Pfft, read your history books, The Greeks were superior to the Romans in every way, at least culturally. The Romans are only more renowned and recognised in history because of their total dominance over Europe rather than their ideals, thoughts and creativity.

I beg to differ
The romans were much more advanced in architecture. The arch, dome, and concrete were all their inventions. They also had many things that the greeks did, including diplomacy, epics, philosophy and probably had even better feasts. The modern consept of law is also more heavily dependant on the romans than the greeks. They used ddemocracy heacily in their early period while many of the greek states never got around to using it at all. Also you apear to be generalising the greeks. The spartans were certainly much less culturaly significant than the romans. They were all about war. The greeks also shouldn't be too praised for their ideals. The greek ideal of a man was a houghty upstart who chalenged the gods, was incredibly strong and had not as much intelogence. The romans had more intelectual ideals.

Sorry if I got off on a tangent but the romans are my secound favorite culture of all time (secound to the byzantines, and buy the way if you count the byzantines as romans then they wallop the greeks) and I have devoted a great amount of time and reaserch to the said civilization.

God's speed

Emp.Justinian

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:15 am

You're both wrong. Neither culture was superior to the other in any way. Both had faults and strengths, and both influenced the world at large in an enormous way. Playing cultures against each other, however diplomatic or academic you attempt to be, is nothing more than a child's game of favourites.

And for the record:

The Romans are only more renowned and recognised in history because of their total dominance over Europe rather than their ideals, thoughts and creativity.

This statement is wrong to a fault.

The Romans are renowned in scholarly circles precisely -for- their innovations, ideals, and creativity.

The greek ideal of a man was a houghty upstart who chalenged the gods, was incredibly strong and had not as much intelogence. The romans had more intelectual ideals.

This statement is also wrong to a fault. The Greek states produced some of the greatest philosophers and thinkers the world has ever known. Likewise, the 'ideal' man to a Greek was more often cunning and quick-in-thought than he was strong and stupid. You've been fantasizing too much about Hercules, while ignoring the actual historical facts. The Greeks are often attributed with the belief that intelligence and quick-wit are a man's greatest assets. Contrarily, it is the Romans that are idealized as thinkers when, in actuality, they had far less of a tradition of philosophy and belief in the importance of intelligence.

That all sorted out now?

Post by **Athos** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:33 am

Let's not get too off topic here.

Steve

JPinoy · Post by **JPinoy** » Wed May 23, 2007 6:11 am

How about an Ancient China theme then?

If a lot of Castleheads are getting into the Ninja/Asian theme lately, LEGO might as well go for it and make a theme modelled after the Han Empire with nomadic raiders modelled after the Mongols/Hsiung-Nu as the villains...

Lamanda2 · Post by **Lamanda2** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:44 pm

I voted that I would buy all the sets, and probably some multiples. This is a line I have always wanted to see. (Almost as much as I'd love to see a Roman line.)

Nice 'set' Steve, if it were real, I would buy plenty.

~Amanda

Post by **Athos** » Wed May 23, 2007 3:56 pm

JPinoy wrote:How about an Ancient China theme then?

If a lot of Castleheads are getting into the Ninja/Asian theme lately, LEGO might as well go for it and make a theme modelled after the Han Empire with nomadic raiders modelled after the Mongols/Hsiung-Nu as the villains...

As I've said before, I'm not sure Lego would go for human on human violence anymore, which would put the Mongol raiders out. Plus even if they were into human on human violence, the Mongols were pretty violent and I think there is still some hypersensitivity over it all...

And I don't know enough about Chinese monsters (other than that horrible Jun-Chee figure) to come up with enough sets for a similar China line.

Plus, China is old hat, as we've already been there with JT... Greece is something new and exciting!

Steve

JPinoy · Post by **JPinoy** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:06 pm

Human on human violence? What do you call those Batman, StarWars, and Spiderman sets? Not to mention that KK2, and to an extent Castle 2007 has humans or at least a human-leader (Necromancer), fighting one another.

Greece and Rome can also be done with Adventurers...

Heck, if LEGO wanted they could make a new Adventurers line have something to do with Arthurian legend and have a kind of secondary Castle line run.

As for Chinese monsters... erm, (wingless) Dragons, Phoenixes, Fox-spirits, Fu Dogs (so-called "guardian lions"), Qilins (chimera-like beast) and etc.

If the human-on-human violence is too "evil" or whatever... You could have the "Dragon Empire" and these Nomad Raiders be two human factions fighting the same monsters. I think a 3-way faction set up would be better than two.

Emperor James · Post by **Emperor James** » Thu May 24, 2007 3:10 am

there should be a theme based on the movie 300 (yes serious) (no realistic). that would rule.

THIS IS SPARTA! *kicks down well*

Patron of the lego · Post by **Patron of the lego** » Fri May 25, 2007 4:42 am

It would be a good idea. But we could also focus in the Roman legions.

Chrislad77 · Post by **Chrislad77** » Sat May 26, 2007 1:28 am

Lego is all there years must have thought of doing a Greece or Roman line at one time or another , but have chosen not to it for some reason. This seems odd to me, do they not like getting into a historical theme that would maybe "limit" them or something. What are peoples thoughts?

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